Absolute Poker : Pokerräume - 3

von **Sonataluna** » Freitag 19. Oktober 2007, 12:40

Weil deine Argumente sich darauf beziehen das AP selbst betrügt... die Sache die jetzt ist scheint wohl eher auf einem unglücklichen Zufall zu beruhen als darauf, dass sich AP hingesetzt hat und die ganze Zeit wem ins Ohr flüsterte.

Es ist ein Unterschied ob eine Einzelperson sich Zugang zu einem Account verschafft, oder ob eine Firma angeblich die ganze Zeit systematisch Betrug begeht

Aber das du die Beiträge nicht ordentlich liest haben wir ja schon früher festgestellt

von **xblue** » Freitag 19. Oktober 2007, 13:07

Sonataluna hat geschrieben:Weil deine Argumente sich darauf beziehen das AP selbst betrügt... die Sache die jetzt ist scheint wohl eher auf einem unglücklichen Zufall zu beruhen als darauf, dass sich AP hingesetzt hat und die ganze Zeit wem ins Ohr flüsterte.

Es ist ein Unterschied ob eine Einzelperson sich Zugang zu einem Account verschafft, oder ob eine Firma angeblich die ganze Zeit systematisch Betrug begeht

Aber das du die Beiträge nicht ordentlich liest haben wir ja schon früher festgestellt

JA JA! Nur dass gleiche dumme Geschwätz!

Warum hat AP damals erst nach fast einem Jahr und nur unter massivsten Protesten gehandelt?
Warum hat AP dafür bezahlt, dass ich meine Webseite vom Netz nehme?

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von **Cashmandt** » Freitag 19. Oktober 2007, 13:13

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gott sei dank!

von **xblue** » Freitag 19. Oktober 2007, 13:19

Cashmandt hat geschrieben:
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gott sei dank!

Trollilolol :lol:

Nur noch eine Anmerkung zum aktuellen Fall sei mir erlaubt!

Ihr glaubt wirklich, dass bei AP nicht alle Warnsysteme angehen wenn ein solcher Masteraccount aktiv wird?

von **Cashmandt** » Freitag 19. Oktober 2007, 18:05

btw. jetzt scheint es offiziell zu sein, es soll sogar geld zurück geben:

Absolute Poker to Admit that Their Software was Compromised

Absolute Poker, the subject of many allegations and accusations over the past month, have stated tonight that they will be admitting that their system was in fact compromised, and they will be releasing a statement shortly.

According to Pocketfives.com, Absolute Poker contacted them by phone and said that their software was compromised and that they would soon be making an official statement. Absolute Poker has said that they will be announcing a plan to refund all of the players that were affected by this lapse in security.

It is unclear as to whether or not Absolute Poker will say exactly how their system was compromised, or who was behind it. There is a great deal of speculation right now as to exactly who exploited the "363" account. Hopefully Absolute Poker lays it all out on the table, as coming completely clean is the only way that they will be able to even hope to partially restore their tarnished image in the online poker community. There are still many unanswered questions.

Why did their "first investigation" not find anything?

Who was involved in the attempted cover-up?

Who was involved in the initial fraud?

Let's wait and see the statement. Hopefully we get some details instead of a generic statement that will attempt to sweep everything under the rug.

http://www.poker-king.com/poker-king-ar ... rticle=285

von **TheFolder** » Sonntag 21. Oktober 2007, 23:47

Absolute hat heute ein offizielles Statement veröffentlicht:

Dear AP Player:

I am the former Grand Chief of the Mohawk Territory of Kahnawake and the owner of Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG, which holds a 100% interest in Absolute Poker.

As many of our players are aware, there has been a security breach in our system that allowed unlawful access to player information that resulted in unfair play. I am writing to you today to let you know what we know so far in order to set the record straight, and to assure you of AP’s commitment to player security. I am sure that this letter will not address all of the questions and concerns you may have, nor will it extinguish the heated discussion surrounding this issue. At this point, our intention is to let you know all we can disclose and to assure you of our continued efforts to keep you informed as best we can as the investigations continue.

We deeply regret this situation has occurred. A breach in security in online poker is serious and of great concern to players and the industry worldwide, and this particular situation has been the subject of debate within the poker player community and in the media, giving rise to the creation of several websites and hundreds and hundreds of comments, opinions, and theories of what occurred – some of which are accurate, and some that are not.

Like you, I have not been happy that during the initial stage of our investigation, AP has not been more forthcoming in providing a timely or comprehensive explanation on this matter, giving rise to anger, suspicion, and concern on the part of our valued customers. I hope that our customers can appreciate that this remains an incredibly complex and sensitive issue, and I want to give you my strongest possible assurance that we will be as forthcoming as possible on how this breach occurred and what we are doing to remedy the situation.

What We Know and Actions We Have Taken

AP was notified by a customer that a possible cheating incident occurred during a recent tournament, and in response forwarded players’ hand logs. This disclosure of the hand logs prompted our customers to determine that a more serious security breach had occurred. We immediately launched an internal investigation and also requested a formal audit by Gaming Associates, an acknowledged world-wide expert in audits, interactive gaming tests, and information security.

Based upon our preliminary findings, it appears that the integrity of our poker system was compromised by a high-ranking trusted consultant employed by AP whose position gave him extraordinary access to certain security systems. As has been speculated in several online forums, this consultant devised a sophisticated scheme to manipulate internal systems to access third-party computers and accounts to view hole cards of other customers during play without their knowledge. As this consultant was aware of the details of our fraud detection process, the likelihood that the scheme would be uncovered through our normal procedures was minimized. We consider this security breach to be a horrendous and inexcusable offense.

We will pay for all losses suffered by the affected players as soon as our audit is finished and the amounts are determined. Although we are in the process of attempting to recover all the winnings of this consultant, any unrecovered losses of affected players will be paid by Absolute Poker so that all affected persons will be made whole.

Next Steps

We are still investigating whether the consultant was acting alone or in concert with others, and it appears at this time that all account holders are innocent of collusion and were unaware of any wrong-doing by the consultant, who was immediately terminated. We continue to investigate this matter aggressively, and all of these preliminary findings are subject to the audits currently underway. We have recently uncovered additional accounts used by the consultant that have not been publicly reported. So as to not compromise the investigation, we are not releasing the names of these additional accounts at this time, and will contact these affected customers individually.

The specific allegations of unlawful activity are being investigated both by AP and by the authorized authorities, including the Kahnawake Gaming Commission. We will continue to actively cooperate with these authorities in full compliance with the Regulations Concerning Interactive Gaming. In addition to our own investigation and the audit by Gaming Associates, we have also submitted to an audit by the Kahnawake Gaming Commission.

Please be assured that we have corrected the problem that allowed the system to be unfairly manipulated. We are working furiously to increase the safeguards within our systems. While we are satisfied that our systems are secured, we realize that our security systems must be continuously monitored and enhanced.

Without question, this incident has been unfortunate for all concerned, and we will emerge as a stronger company. I realize it will take some time and much more information for AP to re-earn the trust and confidence of our customers who are in doubt of our commitment to the highest levels of security, privacy and integrity. As we move to address and correct this situation, our valued customers have played a vital role in uncovering this scheme through various online forums and have become an active part of the solution.

With my full sincerity, I thank you, and I promise to keep you updated as we bring this situation to a close.

Sincerely,

Joe Norton

von **LuckyGirl77** » Montag 22. Oktober 2007, 00:07

auch wenn sie jetzt alles tun, um es komplett aufzuklären, der schaden bei AP ist entstanden und die meisten werden wohl AP den Rücken kehren. (zumindest würde ich mich jetzt dort unwohl fühlen, ob wirklich alles gefixt wurde)

vor allem ist es krass, das es einem consultant gelingt, solche sachen anzustellen. vor allem, in einem solchen hochbrisanten sicherheitsbereich.

von **NoLimitGirl** » Montag 22. Oktober 2007, 08:21

Hallo,

Hier könnt ihr mal sehen daß man nicht immer die besten Karten braucht um die Gegner zu schlagen. Man muß nur wissen welche Karten diese haben.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FczbS7FiWSM

Sehr schön finde ich auch diese Hand:
http://www.pokernews.com/live-reporting/hands-in-depth/

von **Maxtasy** » Montag 22. Oktober 2007, 16:03

die untere hand ist zu hart :eek:

cant believe :eyes:

von **Sonataluna** » Montag 22. Oktober 2007, 18:45

Ist aber die Original Finalhand ^^

von **the mind** » Dienstag 23. Oktober 2007, 18:15

das ist ja echt heftig was bei absolute abgegangen ist! :eek:

ich hab da dieses jahr den großteil meiner cashgames gespielt und auch gut gewonnen, aber letzte woche dann endgültig ausgecasht.

heute kam auf aber einmal ne mail von ap, dass sie sich entschuldigen und mich für ein turnier entschädigen wollen. :eek:

die gutgeschrieben 538$ müsste ein 150k-weeky für 500+30 gewesen sein (hatte mich dafür natürlich qualifiziert und nicht eingekauft) wo ich vorm geld ausgeschieden bin....naja, jetzt hats sich auf jeden fall doch noch gelohnt! :blink:

von **Sonataluna** » Dienstag 23. Oktober 2007, 21:16

Die müssen de facto jeden entschädigen der irgendwann mal irgendwas gegen einen der Accounts verloren hat der mit HoleCards gespielt hat. Wahrscheinlich hast entweder gegen den Typen dein All-in verloren, oder auch nur paar Chips, macht eigentlich keinen Unterschied, weil man nie sagen kann, dass das nicht spielentscheidend war ^^